Iranian Traditionalist Debates Canadian Feminist

Dec 8, 2010

Canadian Journalist Barbara Kay wrote an article for Canada’s National Post, entitled The Shame of Honour Killings, in which she offered a feminist indictment on the barbarity of Iranian Patriarchal customs for stoning adulteress women to death.

In response to her article, an Iranian man  emailed her in an attempt to discuss the Iranian point of view regarding a particular case that Kay had highlighted in her article, as well as the cultural differences between the genders in Iran in comparison to his perception of gender relations in the West.

It was an illuminating correspondence that she featured in her latest NP piece,  Female Justice and the Iranian Male.
The Iranian man, going by the name of Reza, writes to Ms. Kay:

Dear Ms. Barbara Kay,
Hello,
I am writing to you from Iran, a country where many people in the world don’t know the people and culture. Please excuse me for taking your time. I have many questions about life in western countries and I haven’t  found anybody to answer it, but  they are mostly social, not political.
I read your article about the stoning [of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani]. You can be sure that she won’t be executed.
The question is, What do Iranians think about Mrs Ashtiani case?
If you ask this question from ordinary people, they would say she must be executed without mercy!
I studied all files within reach about the case of  Mrs Ashtiani in Farsi. The truth is that she had illegal relationship with her nephew and committed adultery. Her husband didn’t know about this at all. They planned to kill him to take what he owned. One night when they were alone at home she gave sedative to her husband when he slept. With help [from] her, the nephew did take him to the bath and give him 220 volt electric shock in head, chest, legs and hands. Almost his body exploded where connected to electricity. If you were judge of this case, what would be your decision?

My, my, Reza offers us far more details of this case than Kay bothered to even try to reference in her initial article. Kay simply referenced her case as evidence of the barbarous nature of Iranian culture:

Let us hope the momentum generated by Ms. Ashtiani’s plight leads to wider recognition of what she represents in the broader sense: the scourge of Honour Motivated Violence (HMV) against girls and women for deviance from draconian codes of sexual purity.

Now, I’m not clear on Iranian law…but it appears that case involves far more than simple adultery…but, of course, like any feminist, Kay ignores this new information and simply changes the topic to one of simply opposing capital punishment.

I really do hope you are right that Mrs. Ashtiani will not be executed. It is a most distressing subject for us in the West. We find the custom of stoning to be an extremely ugly form of execution, and in fact most people in the West do not believe in capital punishment at all.

Why yes, it most certainly is distressing to feminists in the West, that a woman who murders her husband with the help of her lover would actually be punished! This is not a case of domestic violence leading to murder…it’s a case of barbaric Iranian Patriarchy!
In his first letter, Reza tried to point out that women in Iran are not really treated as badly as Barbara and other western feminists have tried to portray.
Reza wrote:

But the truth is that Iranian women in Iran (especially traditional society) have far better satisfaction than western women.  In Iran, Mother is highly respected,  especially when she grows old.
Although I’ve never been in western countries, what “is obvious” is that western women don’t have a secure life, men always betray their wives and when they feel alone, [men] find someone and it will destroy the family. If there were kids, the mother must suffer growing them up and this is hard for a woman to work to pay the expenses. But satisfaction is completely different in Iran society. The loyalty of men and women is very important. Maybe you don’t believe me. I am a man 47 years old  and there is only one woman in my life, my wife who my mother selected for me and we have three kids.
And I think it is prosperity for a woman. Don’t you think so?
In this country, [sexual] betraying is very nasty. Whoever does it would be punished, without sex consideration. If you are interested I’d like to have a discussion with you about women rights and feminism.

I think it’s obvious that Reza is referring to the images and portrayals of our mass media regarding gender relations in the West. He mistakenly thinks that women are severely disadvantaged by our feminist culture. He doesn’t know the reality of the situation…that it’s MEN who do not have a secure life…that women regularly betray their husbands and families, often because they “fall out of love” or need to go “find myself” or some other ridiculous emotional rationalization she uses to justify destroying her family through the divorce courts simply because her husband no longer gives her the “‘gina tingles.”
But the part I found really interesting was Reza’s description of the punishment of adultery in Iran:
“Whoever does it would be punished, without sex consideration.”
Now that would be quite the tidbit of cultural knowledge, eh? If an Iranian husband who betray their wives and than electrocuted his wife with the help of his lover, would he too be sentenced to death by stoning?
One thing I do know for sure though…if there is such cases, feminists like Barbara Kay would never write an article about it.
Nevertheless, her response to Reza was like a boilerplate recitation of feminist bromides celebrating all of the supposed advances Feminists have “won” in the West:

I am afraid I must disagree with your statement that women in traditional cultures are better off than western women. I am not sure what you mean exactly by “secure,” but if you are speaking of financial security, even though more women live in poverty than men here, being poor is a relative idea.
Here the state offers a great deal of support to anyone, man or woman, who is so poor he or she cannot work, or has no home. Nobody is starving in Canada. Nobody has to live on the street. The state will help them. You are correct in saying that married women are in general better off financially than unmarried women with children.

Ah, see, traditional cultures don’t have a “welfare state” to serve as proxy-Dad and proxy-Husband, so they MUST be worse off!
Barbara continues stating her assumptions and ignorance of Iranian culture:

In terms of physical security, I think perhaps the perception of a woman without male protection is different in Iran than it is here. Here women are offered the same legal protections as men, and are equal before the law. They are accorded the same rights of property ownership and inheritance, and they do not need to ask their male relatives for permission to do anything they want.

Later in his response to Kay, Reza described the actual legal status of women in Iran, which thoroughly rebutted Kay’s ignorant assumptions:

The other thing that may be interesting to you is that here in Iran there is no limitation for women education. 66% students in Iran universities are women. We have many female doctors , dentist s and so on.
Something which surprises me in your email was: men hit the woman in West? You may not believe me, but during my life I have not seen or not heard of any Iranian man hitting his wife [but] sometimes I read in newspaper it happened. According to Islamic law, if somebody hits his wife only one bit and somehow the skin become red, he must pay more than 10,000 US$ compensation.
People in west don’t have a good knowledge about this country. For example Human Rights originated in Iran. The first human rights were declared by the great Cyrus about 2600 years ago.
The rights of property ownership and inheritance in Islam is about 1400 years ago and in accordance with it, ownership and inheritance is approved for women. It means every thing a woman owns belongs to her and she can do with whatever she wants to.
Something might be interesting to you, is that if a woman works, her husband have no right to take her money anyhow. If she wants, she can spend it for family but there is no obligation. Because it is men’s duty to work and pay the family expenses. Even according to Islamic law, a wife has no obligation to work at home and men must pay for the housework to her if she asks. Women are valuable in this country if a girl answers hello to a boy it would be a great joy for him. If you don’t believe , you can come here and to see it by your own eyes.

Heh, Reza seems genuinely shocked that it would be considered normal for men to regularly hit Women in the West. But there’s certainly one thing he revealed when it comes to married women and money in which Iranian culture and the West are similar…
…what women who are married earn is hers, and what the man earns, is theirs.
Reza also addressed the perception of “individualism,” which if you read his questioning carefully, actually addresses the archetype of “empowered, independent” women.

The first question is for a woman what prosperity is. Individualism is very important for western countries but I say what would be the result of Individualism for a woman at age of sixty? Would the result be other than loneliness? Does anybody come close to her ? After breeding some children, who would do anything for her (maybe government) but what about her feeling?

Don’t worry, Reza. Women who are strong, empowered and independent in the West, will simply wring every last effort from their rationalization hamsters to avoid facing their self-imposed loneliness they experience when they hit old age in a state of “Individualism.”

The main point is that individuality doesn’t bring prosperity. I say prosperity is for couples, not individuals. Love means two. As you know love has its price. When you love someone, you have to be with him or her in any condition, good or bad, happy or sad. But I think people in West are partners [only] in happiness, and when you need help everybody would flee.
I know a man who was age 40. His wife became sick so bad that her bones twisted to each other. He did his best for treatment. The result was he looked after his wife more than 10 years until she died . I think it is truth of love. I do believe, love means liking someone or something more than yourself.
I think in West people mix up passion and love . Passion last very short. But love lasts long, although it sometimes causes sadness. But it is its price to know how valuable it is.

This is the very essence that differentiates “traditional” cultures like Iran versus modern, feminist influenced marriage 2.0 in the West. Marriage vows actually still mean something in Iran, whereas in the West, the marriage vows only apply as long as the woman is “happy.”
Now Barbara’s response to Reza was most interesting…she actually let the cat out of the bag with regards to Feminists and their so-called quest for equality:

First, to answer your questions about feminists: They not only expect, but they have been responsible for getting many rights for women. Instead of giving you a list, I will simply say that the overwhelming right that women have in the West is the right to control over their sexual lives without being judged. Women demand – and get – the right to have as many love affairs as men, the right to not have children if they don’t want them, the right not to be raped by their husbands, the right to initiate and get a divorce for any reason at all, the right to have custody of their children (except in very unusual cases), and the right to be protected from sexual harassment in school and work. It is a serious offense for a man to be accused of sexual harassment of a women, even if only in words or jokes or anything at all that the woman considers an insult. I would say that women have more rights than men here, and that is all the result of feminism.

Equality baby!
Also note: “It is a serious offense for a man to be accused of sexual harassment of a women…”
Exactly! He need not be actually guilty of harassment, only that he be accused!
And this…
…the right to initiate and get a divorce for any reason at all, the right to have custody of their children (except in very unusual cases)

Kay actually restates these so-called advances that have destroyed the institution of marriage in the West. All these things that Barbara listed (despite claiming she wasn’t going to list them) actually reinforces Reza’s criticism of the state of marriage in the West:

When you love someone, you have to be with him or her in any condition, good or bad, happy or sad. But I think people in West are partners [only] in happiness, and when you need help everybody would flee.

Somehow, I don’t think Women are as badly treated by their Husbands, Fathers and culture at large in Iran as our Feminist mainstream press would like us to think. One thing is for certain…should we find ourselves involved in a war with Iran, you can bet our media and politicians will invariably cite the need to liberate the oppressed women of Iran from those barbaric Patriarchs.

Source: Spearhead

Canadian gender gap narrows

Oct 13, 2010

Women gain ground as Canada rebounds

Canadian women are narrowing the gap with men, but Canada was still ranked behind the U.S. in an annual Global Gender Gap survey released Tuesday.
Canada placed 14th when the World Economic Forum first released its analysis in 2006 of how women fall behind men in areas such as pay and political and corporate advancement; it then dropped to 18th in 2007, and 31st in 2008.

But Canada rebounded to 25th last year and held the 20th spot this year -- one spot behind the surging U.S. -- in a ranking of 134 countries, according to the Geneva-based WEF.

Canada gained ground in all four areas measured: economic participation and opportunity, educational attainment, health and survival, and political empowerment.
"Like the United States, Canada's strength lies in educational attainment and economic participation," the WEF said.

For its part, the United States had moved to 19th from 31st place, thanks to a narrowing of the wage gap and the emergence of more women in top White House positions under President Barack Obama.
France, meanwhile, plunged from 18th to 46th place as a result of the removal of women from President Nicolas Sarkozy's cabinet.

Nordic nations -- Iceland, Norway, Finland and Sweden -- dominated, in that order, the top four spots on the list, while Mali, Pakistan, Chad and last-place Yemen were the worst backwaters in terms of women's rights and status.

Lobbying group Equal Voice, which advocates for greater participation of women in Canadian politics, said Canada will never be among global leaders without greater effort by federal and provincial political parties.
"Though all of Canada's federal parties have committed to higher levels of female representation, more sustained efforts are required by all political leaders in order for these commitments to translate into meaningful improvements," executive director Nancy Peckford said in an e-mail.

Wives gain as breadwinners but no real progress

October 6, 2010

Women were winners in the U.S. recession, as wives' income jumped to a record share of family earnings. But it was only by default.

Wives earned 47 percent of family income in 2009, up from 45 percent the previous year, not because their salaries rose but because more of their husbands lost jobs, according to a study from the Carsey Institute at the University of New Hampshire.

"Make no mistake: this increase is not due to advancement or opportunities for women, but rather it is an indication of hard financial times for families," said Kristin Smith, a family demographer at the Institute.
Women weren't getting higher wages during the recession. The median wages of employed wives fell to $30,000 in 2009 from $31,041 two years earlier. The median income of husbands with employed wives fell in that time to $42,000 from $46,562.

Instead, the economy shed more male-dominated jobs such as in construction and manufacturing, which left wives earning more of the family take-home pay, the report said.

"As husbands lose their jobs, family earnings plummet, and the role of wives' earnings often becomes critical to keeping families afloat," said Smith.

Almost half of the relative gains that wives made over the past 15 years in bringing home the bacon came during the recession from 2007 to 2009. Their increased earnings share last year was the biggest single-year jump in 15 years.

U.S. unemployment topped 10 percent at its peak before trending down to 9.6 percent in August. That rate will rise to 9.7 percent in September, according to a Reuters survey.
The private-sector National Association of Economic Research this month called the recession over as of June 2009.

But near double-digit unemployment, wage cuts, steep home price losses and record foreclosures mean the pain is far from over.

"Even families that haven't experienced job loss have had diminished savings, retirement accounts and housing values, and are looking to the second breadwinner as stabilizing their family earnings," Smith said in an interview.

During the recession, 81 percent of working wives had employed husbands, down from 86 percent.
Unemployment has been particularly high among African American men and men with les s education, and in both cases wives contribute an even higher percentage -- 55 percent and 58 percent, respectively -- of family earnings, the study noted.

Wives are likely to keep working even after their husbands get new jobs, as families try to recoup funds lost during the recession, said Smith.

"With almost half of family earnings now coming from wives, equity in the workplace needs attention more than ever," said Smith. "Family economic stability depends on wives' economic contribution, and families suffer when women earn less."

Boy, 8, found dead; mom faces charge

Aug. 16, 2006.

SLE LA MOTTE, Vt. A Montreal mother recovering from alleged self-inflicted wounds will be charged in the coming days with murdering her 8-year-old son, whose body was found in Lake Champlain, a Vermont state attorney said today.


I am going to prepare a charge of first-degree murder, Grand Isle States Attorney David Miller said in a telephone interview.

But when she is well enough is something I have no control over. . . I'm hoping, at the latest, it will be Friday but, again, it could be next week too.

The body of Nicholas Desnoyers-Langlois was found last night in about a metre of water just offshore near the Vermont town of Isle La Motte.

The five-kilometre-wide island is located near the Canadian border.
Louise Desnoyers, 48, was found by police lying in a fetal position inside a lakeside shed on the other side of the island from where her sons body was recovered.

The woman, whom police said was despondent over recent marital problems, was taken to hospital for what authorities first described as life-threatening, self-inflicted injuries. Her condition later improved.
Richard Hill called police after he found an SUV with Quebec licence plates on his 20-hectare property.
I approached the vehicle and there was blood on the exterior of the door and there was blood splatter on the inside of the drivers window and on the inside of the windshield, he said.

On the passenger seat was sand and a bloody jug of half-consumed anti-freeze, the contractor said.
After briefly looking near trees and long grass in the remote area, Hill called police. They located the woman with the help of a canine unit.

Hill said Desnoyers apparently knew the area from having visited friends a couple of years ago.
My guess is . . . that she looked for a place nearby that was secluded so she could do away with herself.
The event has upset the entire community of the small island, which was the scene a double murder involving local residents three years ago, he said.

We've had some bad experiences in the past but certainly nothing as bad as this.
The boy and his mother entered the United States at Rouses Point, N.Y., Monday evening.
Montreal police say the woman and the child were reported missing Monday by her husband, Real Langlois.
He travelled to Vermont last night to identify his son, Miller said.

The case against Desnoyers shouldn't be complicated by the involvement of two countries, Miller added.
Most everything that happened, happened on this side of the border.

WOMEN: THE FORGOTTEN CHILD MURDERERS

 Read how women get away with Murder, thanks to Feminazi Witches, women can do no wrong attitude of judicial system. Laws need to be equal to all. 
These types of attitude from the Feminazi's is being exported around the world in the name of Woman's Empowerment, its criminal to think women should be treated differently for similar crimes.

Feb. 3, 2001

Women who kill their children are given sympathy and sentenced to "treatment" while men who do the same thing are charged with murder and sentenced to life.

Perhaps it is not a coincidence that women are many times more likely to murder their offspring than men.

A hospital in Great Britain installed hidden cameras to survey children who they feared to be at risk of abuse by their parents. They found dozens of cases and made headlines about abuse by "parents" and "step-parents". The Life Channel chronicled the story (this version was translated and ran on Canal Vie as well).

What all the commentators carefully hid was who these "parents" were: there was one grandmother, one father... and thirty-seven mothers. Judging from the references to "step-parents", I suspect that the man wasn't really a father either.

How did the hospital choose the people to watch? Every case involved previous children who had died in mysterious circumstances. To be more precise, 37 killer moms murdered 40 children. Total jail sentences imposed: 0, even though some of the women confessed when confronted afterwards.

About 1300 child murders took place in the US last year. About 500 perpetrators were non-parents, roughly divided between men and women. Of the rest, only 30 (!) were fathers. In other words, mothers were more than 25 times more likely to kill their progeny than fathers. Yet somehow, men are viewed as being more dangerous to their children than women.

In Canada, many crime statistics are presented in such a way as to hide female malevolence. As an example, we do not break down statistics on child murder by sex of the offender. Consequently, this information is not available here. However, there is no reason to assume that things are any different north of the border.

This favoured treatment of women is not limited to child murder. Rose Cece and Mary Taylor, a lesbian couple in Toronto, decided on a lark to kill a police officer. Had a man done so, he would have been convicted with first-degree murder almost without regard to the facts. If not, police associations across the country would have been outraged. In fact, Cece and Taylor were convicted of manslaughter and no one commented.

At least they went to jail. Women are often let off with suspended sentences. As the Ottawa Citizen said in one case, "husband-killer Lilian Getkate's sentence of two years less a day at home is an insult to our sense of natural justice." The murderer herself reacted by saying: "I was startled. I took someone's life and I'm not going to jail. Of course I'm surprised by that." Once again, the Crown did not appeal.

Getting away with murder

This reluctance to convict women murderers goes back a long way. In fact, it is the reason for the invention of the crime of infanticide at the turn of the last century. Juries refused to convict women of murdering their own children.

Or their parents, it would appear.

Lizzie Borden took an axe
Gave her mother forty whacks
When she saw what she had done
She gave her father forty-one.

What the ditty doesn't mention is that the 1892 Boston jury let Lizzie off. One of the main reasons for this is that her judge, like the one in the Getkate case, practically directed the jury to acquit. Plus a change...

One difference between women who are committed to jail and those who are not appears to be familial relationships. Only two women have ever been convicted of first-degree murder in this country. Yvonne Johnson killed a man she barely knew. Sarabjit Kaur Minhas strangled her nephew. In other words, women are given greater latitude when they kill their husbands, parents or children. Of course, they always get some slack Cece and Taylor are proof enough of that.

The discrimination of the courts in favour of women is not limited to murder. It is true of all crimes. Officially, women commit 15% of serious crimes in Canada, almost certainly an understatement of the facts. Whatever the real number, they form approximately 1% of the people in our prisons. Texas statistics indicate that women are actually more likely to commit fraud than men. Despite this, men are ten times more likely to serve time for the offence.

There seems to be a fundamental refusal to admit that women are capable of committing crimes. When they do, we tend to downplay the act and to view her as the victim, not as the victimizer. A book has been written about the Johnson case. Its title is Stolen Life. Guess whose life the author feels was robbed. It isn't the man she killed.

While feminism may be partially responsible for this, the answer appears to be more profound. Lizzy Borden's parents died long before the appearance of this form of collective insanity. The reality is that people, in all societies, assume that the female of the species must be protected, even from the consequences of her own actions.

Whatever. The bottom line is that male misbehaviour, however you to define this word, is treated far more severely than equivalent female crimes.

3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women

May 27, 2008

VANCOUVER - Canada's largest study into the sexual exploitation of street kids and runaways has shattered some myths about who the abusers might be - with the most surprising finding being that many are women seeking sex with young males.

"Some youth in each gender were exploited by women with more than three out of four (79 per cent) sexually exploited males reporting exchanging sex for money or goods with a female," said Elizabeth Saewyc, associate professor of nursing at the University of British Columbia and principal investigator for the study conducted by Vancouver's McCreary Centre Society.

"I must admit it wasn't something we were expecting."

The results were drawn from interviews with 1,845 youth - some as young as 12 - in surveys taken across the province between 2000 and 2006.

The stereotypical model of the child being abused - a teenage female being sexually abused by a male - was wrong, said Saewyc.

Sexual exploitation is defined as youth under 19 trading sexual activities for money, drugs, gifts, food, services, shelter, transportation or anything similar.

This can include work in brothels, escort services, pornography and Internet sex but it also includes what's described as "survival sex," where a child provides sex in exchange for a place to sleep, a meal or a ride.
It found one in every three of children living on the street have been sexually abused although many didn't seem aware that they had been exploited, said Saewyc.

"It's a shocking number. The law is clear: any adult who has sex with children for any form of consideration is exploiting them and it's illegal," she said.

The study found 94 per cent of females reported they had been sexually exploited by men.
But the study found that young males were being preyed upon by sexual predators of both sexes, yet the social systems in place to deter and prevent sexual predation were only designed to help females and the criminal justice system wasn't concerned with what was happening to young males.

"Women seeking young men and boys offer transportation or other things and some go to nightclubs and bars where they can pick up under-age youth. And a certain percentage have been picked up by couples," she said.

Saewyc said it was indicative of the prevailing myths about sexual abuse that the rehabilitation program for persons arrested by police for attempting to buy sexual favours on the street was called "John School".
"I think it's time we had a Jane School. There should be an equal opportunity school for women predators," she said.

"Part of the challenge is that young males are not seen as being exploited because they are not coming to the attention of the police and the police aren't out there picking up the perpetrators. The system is set up to handle the sexual exploitation of young women, not young men," she said.

Community research associate Jayson Anderson said most of the programs to deal with sexual exploitation were designed by women for women. "There's really nothing out there for males. So we need programs for young boys," he said.

The study showed that the following youth were most likely to suffer from sexual predation:

- those who were lesbian, gay or bisexual
 - Aboriginals
 - those with physical or mental health issues
 - those who had been abused by family members
 - youth that had been in government care.