Mr.Rebates

Mr. Rebates

Monday, March 1, 2010

Some big problems with PWDVA (Protection of women from domestic violence act) called DV (domestic violence) LAW in short.

Point 1:

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Service providers in DV (Domestic Violence) LAW should be neutral persons for correct justice and good for society. Restricting service providers to women rights activist's organizations is unfair.

Judges and officials should be neutral. There should not be a force on them, to give one sided views, as part of the job requirement. To put a force by Law, that if you do not say one sided views, then after 3 years you will be removed from the list of service providers, and so will not get Govt. money, is wrong, this is to encourage, distorted picture and reports, by money.

Rule 11 (1), of 2006 Rules of DV Law should be changed. Condition for service providers i.e., "With the objective of protecting the rights and interests of women "should be removed. Social service neutral organizations should be service providers, and protection officers.

50% of service providers and protection officers should be men, and 50% women, men are

equal part of family. Protection officers should not be appointed by WCD

(Ministry of women and child development) but appointed by judiciary, to encourage impartiality.

The DV Law is drafted such that in almost all matrimonial disputes women will file DV LAW.

So more then 10,000 posts of service providers and protection officers will be created,

which is a big number. Also service providers and protection officers will be under pressure to

say one sided things to the press, the more one sided and biased or false things a protection

officer or service provider says the better chances of more Govt. money. For example a vocal

service provider person saying wrong one sided, biased things to press, will have more

chances of becoming a protection officer. This give untrue picture to society, and so service

providers condition to be an organization (Rule 11 (1), of 2006 Rules of DV Law)

"With the objective of protecting the rights and interests of women "should be removed.

In form VI of rules 2006 of DV LAW, point 4, "number of persons employed for providing such

service "should be changed to "number of persons with details of how they are involved " .

Social service organizations usually do not get high Govt. funding to employ person, persons

work without money for social service. So the word "employed "should be removed. Usually

only WCD (Ministry of women and child development) funded feminists organizations have

the money to "employ" persons of sufficient expertise. By this clause to focus on number of

employed person, feminists want that only WCD (Ministry of women and child development)

funded organizations should qualify as service providers. This is to increase posts for getting

which you have to say one sided things only, hence distorted and false things.

Also very Important, press has to now come to these posts practically reserved for persons

who are willing to say one sided things (should we call this lies ) for getting jobs, to get news.

As Law ensures that they only get paid to get complaints by women in gender difference of

opinion cases, in which DV will almost always be filed. This is a common trick being used by
radical feminists to control press world over.

Point 2:

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A 3 member committee is made by WCD (Ministry of women and child development) to look

into the domestic violence LAW and other things; committee may consider Supreme Court

judgment (15/12/2006 S.R Batra V Tarun Batra.) about Domestic Violence LAW.

This is all women committee consisting or radical feminists. Please put a few representatives

of family saving organizations also part of the committee, or few neutral men.

Family Laws affect men and normal women also. Present maintenance Laws give extra

amount for renting a house to wife, this is correct Law. To through people out of their own

legally earned houses by Law is wrong. Husbands do not get any share in wife's ancestral

property; this point should also be noted.

Point 3:

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Before there was 1 maintenance LAW, then in 2001 125CrPC was modified. So maintenance

cases are being filed by wife at 2 places, and try to get the maintenance judgment that is higher.

With DV LAW people are now fighting 3 maintenance cases; the wife can take the maintenance

amount highest in these. This is as expected adding to the multiple proceedings in which parties

may already be spending out their time, energy and resources. This is against basic common

sense, just because feminists LAW makers at WCD want to give more options to the wife.

This way she will get the highest maintenance from these 3 cases. This way, she has more

options to lie in one court, and if that is caught, she can always correct the lie caught in other

case, while keeping the lies not caught in 1st case. She now has 3 chances, apart from the

chances to put pressure of arrest to see in advance the man's proofs at state commission

for women, crime against women cells. Also this increases the probability to get a relative

or friends contact by wife's family, in any of these places, this can harm the husband, due to

barbaric, biased Laws against husbands.

Also DV Law was made to enable the women to get maintenance from other males also like

old father-in-law. We have come across case where a retired couple was asked to give

maintenance to daughter in Law, just 3 days after they received the notice of complaint,

3 days requirement is as per the DV LAW. Sometimes it can be difficult to even get the

copy of the tick mark complaint in 3 days for respondent.

Section 20(3) should be removed; this says "The magistrate shall have the power to order

an appropriate lump-sum payment or monthly payments of maintenance, as the nature and

circumstances of the case may be ". Forcing a man to pay a lump sum maintenance is wrong,

all maintenance Laws should clarify that lump-sum maintenance can be given only if the

respondent asks for the same, and both parties agree for that.

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Point 4:

If a woman gives a complaint in writing telling about any instance in details, catching a lie in

this is sometimes possible. Many husbands thus are able to save themselves in courts from

false complaints, due to this. So feminists in DV Law have ensured that the women do not have

to tell the incident details, just filling a tick mark type form is sufficient(Form 1, rule 2006) , form

contains tick marks for whether emotional violence took happened, verbal violence happened etc.

, to further safeguard women doing false complaints and to encourage false complaints, in the

DV Law women do not have to sign on any complaint( even tick mark forms ! ) , this is

done so that she can later refuse and say I did not sign these tick mark columns also, the

person who signed misunderstood. DV Law then goes far to ensure that the person signing

false can not be legally punished for signing false complaints under DV LAW (e.g. section 35).

Protection officer or anyone else can sign, on her behalf. Also protection officer or someone

else just have to tick mark the form, without giving actual incidence details. Without any sign

by complainant women, all DV Law provisions can be invoked, e.g. it is sufficient to through

every man out of the costliest house, a women ever lived in (section 19), get monetary

compensation apart from maintenance for trouble faced mental, verbal, emotional etc.

types (section 22), or get maintenance from any man, (judgments for maintenance e.g.

from retired father-in-law, apart from husband or live in partners have already come),

(section 20) etc.. This is done to encourage misuse and false complaints, so the women

can later say I did not sign the tick mark form. Even for ex party orders she do not have to

sign affidavit in tick mark form 3, her parents can sign saying as per there understanding

the form filled is correct. This is done to ensure that after getting ex party orders in all barbaric

DV Law provisions, the women can later still say, my father or mother misunderstood, and

father or mother can say that this was based on his or her best understanding. In case this

form3 affidavit is signed, the magistrate is asked by LAW to pass orders under all sections

of DV Law, if the application prima facie discloses (i.e. says) that there is a chance of some

verbal violence happening. So judge is kind of made helpless in DV Law, as per LAW, judge

has to pass orders just on the basis of complaint. Just as dowry LAW (498a) made police

helpless, they have to arrest whether the case is false or true without investigation, and non

bailable, DV Law makes Judges helpless.

I think to hide this fact from the parliament members that the women or any of her relatives

do not have to sign at any place, elaborate arrangements have been made in the DV Law, e.g.

Rule 6(4) is deliberately added out of place to confuse the person reading the Law, to give an

impression that affidavit is required. This full rule 6 about the application to the magistrate is

deliberately silent about any sign on the application, and then to avoid the possibility of anyone

getting curious, if any sign by women is required, the Rule 6(4) suddenly mentions an affidavit.

Then very next Rule 7 again repeats this sentence. By this repetition a successful attempt was

deliberately made to hide the facts of LAW of no requirement of sign, and no specific details

required as forms are of tick marks type, from anyone reading the LAW a few times only , like

press or parliament members.

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Point 5 :

Section 23 example: Asking Magistrate to pass ex party orders, if "an application prima facie

discloses � that there is likelihood that the respondent may commit an act of domestic

violence, he may grant an ex prate order on the basis of the affidavit "can be heavily misused.

For example, back from office, men of the joint house can find an order, under section19, that

they are not allowed to enter the house. As some lady in house have complained, that there

is a chance that verbal violence can take place by them towards her. Even if the order is not

ex parte, men can not do anything, to avoid being thrown out of house. Or under section 17 ,

( which can be followed by section 19 ) , a friend of husband can find a order for allowing the

wife of his friend, along with any of her friends or relatives, to enter his house, just because

10 years back he allowed them to live in his house, for some days. The number of days

required to invoke DV Law is not clarified in Law. Next the friend can get an order section 19,

not allowing him to enter his own house. Clearly these 2 provisions were made to entice women,

by saying you can live in the costliest house of husband's friend or relative, provided you

break your marriage. I think, to confuse the reader of LAW, related section 17 and 19 were

kept separate and section 18 was inserted between these sections.

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Point 6:

When one reads the rule 14 i.e. , "procedure to be followed by Counselors ", a person

with commonsense will not call this a counseling procedure , it appears that this is

deliberately wrongly called as counseling to confuse people reading the LAW, this is done to

get another report in women favor, and to threaten the man to agree to whatever the women

wishes, and to force the man to give in writing by Law, that the allegation said by the women

whether true or false , were done by him and he will not do such things in future .

Rule 14(4): "The counselor shall conduct the counseling proceedings bearing in mind that

the counseling shall be in the nature of getting an assurance, that the incidence of domestic

violence shall not get repeated. "

14(5) " The respondent shall not be allowed to plead any counter justification for the alleged

act of domestic violence in counseling the fact that and any justification for the act of domestic

violence by the respondent is not allowed to be a part of the counseling proceeding should

be made known to the respondent, before the proceedings begin ".

If one person is barred by LAW procedure rule 14(5) to even say his side of story, against

basic human rights, how we call this counseling can be understood probably by WCD Law

makers only.

Rule 14(6): Asking respondent by LAW to give undertaking that he would refrain from

causing such domestic violence as complained by the aggrieved person. This can be

done before any so called counseling begins. This puts the cart before the horse. It

proceeds on the assumption that there is no reason to doubt that the respondent has

committed or is likely to commit domestic violence.

Repeating the same stuff in Rule 14(6) in Rule14 (3) within a few lines is not required,

why this was done deliberately, I think is to hide (from parliament, press etc.,) the important

points sandwiched between these two points etc., why this repetition is done is for WCD to say.

Rule 14(10) is made to make wishes or views of the women like a word of God for the counselor, and satisfying them is the only aim of counselor without giving any chance for the man to say his views, and for this all existing human rights or Laws should not be considered, Indian evidence act, or civil or criminal Laws not relevant, as per DV LAW. The Idea is to threaten the man through counselor, that sign whatever the women wishes or I will submit a negative report by rule 14(11). Once he signs compromise under this pressure of counselor, then rule14 (14) a women can very easily go back on the signed agreement, whereas LAW do not allow a man to go back. In such kind of biased setting against man, giving women to go back on agreement is not correct, or else man should also be given option to go back like women on signed compromise.

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Point 7 :

3 days after receiving notice is too short a period. It is difficult even to find out what is the wish

of the women that the man has to grant, as per the form parts ticked under DV LAW. So a

copy of the complaint should compulsory be sent with the notice to respondent .( In DV Law

case the complaints copy can be tick mark form of the wishes of women and some ticked

allegations for cosmetic treatment of form) .

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Point 8 :

Word aggrieved person in LAW should be replaced by Complainant as in other Laws. Who

know the women is doing this to get the costliest house or to get money extra then

maintenance etc, so let's not give a false impression in LAW by saying aggrieved women.

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Point 9 :

Laws should be Gender neutral. Domestic violence Law in other countries is also gender

neutral.

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Point 10 :

This LAW is totally not required; there are already sufficient provisions in existing Laws.

Already extra amount for renting a house equal to a house the husband is living is granted by

Courts, so to through people including husband from his own house is wrong.

Also maintenance Law of 2001 i.e. 125 CrPC. was made for destitutes (changed in 2001),

so is very fast even at the cost of misuse. Within 6 months or 1 year interim maintenance

is fixed in majority of cases. Extra amount for renting a house is also given under this 125CrPC Law.

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Point 11 :

Section 20: If case of crime appropriate punishment can be there, but to encourage

complaints by saying you will get money and compensation for alleged mental or emotional

trouble is wrong. This only leads to false cases of entrapments. People are also responsible

to keep themselves reasonably safe, enticement that you mix with me first, and then I will

ask money for alleged mental trouble is wrong. Further as per rule 2006 14(10) later, "due

regard has to be given to the wishes and sensibilities of the aggrieved person "and prohibits

man from saying his side of story by Law even verbally, only wishes and sensibilities of

women should not be considered, what is excepted practice in society, whether she

entrapped the man to get monitory gains, revenge etc. is to be seen. Also the biased

service providers and protection officers as per Law and other tick mark forms etc.

in rules 2006, makes money extraction by section 20 a very tempting business.

Virtually every DV complaint will ask for money for mental cruelty and money amount will go

higher based on the income of the relative of husband.

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Point 12 :

Rule 2006, Section 13: To earn money for their agents WCD has looked like, allowed that any

legal practitioner who has appeared for the complainant in the case or any other suit or

proceedings connected can become the counselor under DV Law for the complaint, of

course the Lawyer of respondent can not become the DV Law counselor. Lawyer of the

complainant should also be not given powers of DV Law counselor of submitting report to the

judge etc.

Rule 13(2) (ii): "Any legal practitioner who has appeared for the respondent (or complainantshould be added) in the case or any other suit or proceedings connected therewith. "

Rule 13 (3): should be changed to 50% counselors should be man and 50% women. Men are

also a part of family.

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Point 13 :

Section 27: The trick of radical feminists is to club all types of wishes of a woman, all types of

allegations under single Law procedure. This prevents different procedures as would be

appropriate for different types of allegations. So they can use worst case procedures, to

encourage misuse and false cases and entrapments. Small example E.g. in this jurisdiction,

jurisdiction should normally be the place where the incident happened (for which extra money

is being asked), but to trouble witnesses, women can go and temporarily reside at a distant

place (Say her parents place), come back. This wrong is being encouraged by this Law.

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Point 14 :

DIR( Domestic Incident report ) is important in DV Law, as it is the first Incidence report like

FIR . The cases of ante-dating and ant-timing of DIR are quite possible . This gives easy ways

to feminists protection officers and servise providers to change the DIR, for lets say small

money . Even if one argues that this possibility of changing the complaint was not a delibrate

loophole left by the drafters of the Law. The potential of misuse of this is great . At least in

FIR the procedure of page numbered register is present, also FIR copy is to be sent to

magistrate, this reduces the chances of changing the FIR later.

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Point 15 :

The Law , specially rules 2006, virtually makes it impossible for any interaction between

2 persons , to not to be a domestic violence, at least between family members, whether

male or female. Present culture etc. should also be seen, before making such rules.

Some points as told by Supreme Court Lawyer Mr. Tiwari and others: This law is encouraging

mushrooming tendency of allegation without any proofs. Separate section for penalty should

be added in case of complaint found false. Minimum 2 years punishment and 10,000 fines

should be there.

The Law should be implemented from the date of notification and on fresh cause of action,

not previous actions. For example previously it was OK for a husband to ask wife, if she is

interested in taking a break from her job for small kids and that in his opinion it is the better

thing to do, but such a statement can be made a crime as per the DV Law. So asking

husband to pay extra apart from maintenance for this statement of the past due to the

potential mental trouble due to the past statement is wrong. At the time the statement

was made it was not usually considered a crime as per Law.

Point 16 :

Presently what is happening is that women staying abroad are filing DV, and then they

never come to court. To prevent these types of cases, women should be present in court

on every date, to prove allegations.

Without clinching evidence or evidence cross-examinations, relief should not be granted.

Status of the respondent at the date of filing and judgment, should be considered,

sometimes due to litigations husbands have already lost jobs etc. , sending them to jail in

DV as they can not pay amounts as per past status is wrong .

Point 17 :

Domestic Violence LAW or House occupation LAW?

By Sandeep Bhartia 9899329991

Can Supreme Court save Lakhs of homes of old persons from radical feminists LAW maker of MINISTRY OF WOMEN AND CHILD DEVELOPMENT? Domestic Violence LAW or House occupation LAW?

The domestic Violence Act is designed to allow the occupation of a house by an estranged woman.

It has nothing to do with domestic violence or for providing shelter to any victim of domestic violence.

Sections 17 and 19, allow an estranged wife to occupy any of the houses she had ever stayed in.

This law says the house can be of a friend or relative or rented. It do not matter how much time back

the wife stayed in the house.

Senior citizens save a lifetime to build their homes. Under this law, they can lose it to the daughter-in-law.

What is the effect of this law on ordinary citizens and senior citizens?

With more then 10,000 (Ten thousand) complaints of matrimonial discord in Delhi alone last year,

almost all of these complainants will now resort to this DOMESTIC VIOLENCE LAW as a wedge to

extort concession in their matrimonial cases.

Case 2 :

*Mr. and Mrs. Mahender Singh, Haryana.

Himself not well, mild vain effected, due to cases.

Daughter-in-law asking house and maintenance in DV Law (Protection of women from Domestic Violence LAW, effective from Oct 2006).

*Marriage of son happened in 2000. Daughter-in-Laws father was district attorney

(Govt. Lawyer), later promoted to Joint director in prosecution. Son was lawyer.

Son and his wife were given a place to stay above the school, school had 5, 6

teachers and was running good. Daughter was MPhil, Bed, she was running the

school, daughter-in-law joined in the running. The daughter-in-Law and married

daughter had difference of opinion about school control. School owned 50% by

Son and 50% by daughter. Daughter-in-law called her brother, he threatened.

*Daughter-in-law went to her parents home, they file dowry (498a) complaint against

5 persons including daughter and her husband. And filed attempt to murder by

burning under 307 IPC.

*With great troubles they got anticipatory bail in session court, and later regular bail

in lower court. Lost lots of health and money.

Son filed for divorce and child custody.

*False case 307(attempt to murder by burning), 498a were acquittal happened not

even compromise in the cases.

*After all this, son�s wife decides to come back. She stayed for less then 2 months,

and left immediately when cancer was diagnosed to the son. Took grandson by

force.

*For 2 years tried hard to save sons life, lots of money also spent. Daughter-in-law

never visited .

*As a last wish he wanted to meet his son, but they refused. We called them to bring

son to do last rites of father (2007), waited but they did not come.

On 12th Day of death, they came and started asking for House, money etc.

*Filed DV Law (Protection of women from domestic Violence Law, effective from

Oct 2006), asking for living in house (that can be followed by asking to remove men

from the house), 20,000 per month maintenance from retired father-in-law in teaching

job, etc. She herself is earning as teacher.


*After getting notice in DV LAW, within 3 days, on first date maintenance of Rs 1,000

asked to be given to daughter-in-law from father-in-law. They are paying this money.

*Goods were deposited at police station, list signed by daughter-in-laws father.

Still they filed again case for goods; leading to harassment .The document was

reported by SSP and IG police.

Questions : Should the new DV Law( Domestic violence LAw ) allow maintenance,

and money for mental trouble allegations, from a finantialy weaker party ( say old

persons ) to a financially stronger party ( working Daughter-in-law ) .

* If a old couple allowed the sons wife to live for say less then 2 months to stay in their house , should the Law force the old couple to let the daughter-in-law live in their house and through the old man out of the house, on roads .

* Should the new radical feminists Laws be made in such a way that distroys

money , health , and jobs of men and their families, by making them run around in courts againsts anti men, barbaric wrong Laws

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